This is a long thread and only read it partially but would like to add my 0.02c
TL/DR
First I would like to clarify some economic concepts and propose a solution
- Having so much money in circulation is good and helped all others players.
No, all the money we have stashed in ours avatars is not circulating.
For money to circulate most be invested in a bank earning interest and also being lent to those in need to start or expand a business that
generate an employment force and then increase a demand for items and goods. And we know that is not happening in the game.
To make things worse the MNF Bank is issuing money in the form of 1K daily that get stashed in avatar accounts making money loose their value and leading to inflation, and someone pointed correctly that costumes and apartments are now more expensive and expected to raise more.
Another side effect is that money tend to concentrate in a few hands.
- Should be easy to make money
Money should never be easy to acquire like in real life and the reason is that once you have money that you can't spend because there is not enough goods and services money start to loose their value and leading to inflation.
Not even in real life there is a good solution to this problem, but can be controlled
1- Let the non premium accounts transfer money to another account via MNF Bank, that lead to innovation and generate a demand for goods and services.
2- MNF Bank should implement a Monetary Policy, raising the transfer rate (currently 0% ?????) to 1-5% of every transaction, that reduces the liquidity in a long term.
3- Introduce premium codes for 1 month
4- Add more expensive options of current real state like apartments with two rooms
Not sure where to post this but here seems as good as anywhere and maybe this thread needs to be woken up.
I created a new AV, not a new AV under an existing account but an AV under a new email account. So should it not come on with $1000?. It did not. Is it because it came on under an existing IP address?
(02-10-2018, 11:28 PM)Avril 2018 Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure where to post this but here seems as good as anywhere and maybe this thread needs to be woken up.
I created a new AV, not a new AV under an existing account but an AV under a new email account. So should it not come on with $1000?. It did not. Is it because it came on under an existing IP address?
Non premium avatars (new or old email) don’t start off with $1000 anymore. The devs implemented this quite some time ago to prevent people from creating money alts and hoarding/transferring a bunch of money...
I've been talking about the economy system with friends ever since it happened. Some have given me opinions and point of views defensing it that I can;t argue with. Others, have had their fair share of complaints that I also agree with. I've skimmed though the thread so I may not have all the points of view here but this is what I think of the entire system.
I have been a player since the game was released and have had premium for that long as well minus a month. That being said I am not a fan of the economy change simply for the fact that they gave MnF an economy. Sure, the alt farm was an exploit but it was an exploit that anyone could use to get money that didn't have any value at all. I think there wouldn't be this big talk about circulation and taxing and the 1% if they had just let the money stay a valueless toy. This is a game that I play to just socialize and chill out and adding real value to money has made thing both better and worse.
I don't have much trouble with money now. I think that this change has made peoples creativity really spark. Like apartment designers or code sellers. I also think that it has turned people into vultures. You can't go anywhere without seeing an escort, which isn't bad when it's a sex game but now whenever I see a price on something I can't help but calculate what the real world value that is in my head. That's a problem that I have to think about real life things while playing a game.
A friend presented it to me in a way that opened my eyes. She said that taking the exploit wasn't a huge deal. She had no problem with the fact that they monetized the MnF cash. What really irked her was the fact that after they gave the cash value every update in the game started getting expensive. From the apartments to outfits to items for new poses, it all got a pretty high price sticker compared to what we had seen before which made this, according to her, an obvious money grab from the game.
It's obviously too late to make MnF cash harmless again but maybe there's other ways to help new players that are actually new. Maybe an untradeable, one time use outfit and motel voucher. This way new players could get a second outfit and a taste of the motel with out having to grind out cash straight off of joining. I say make it untradeable so it doesn't get exploited. As for premiums, it was obvious that they let premium player keep the starting thousand as an incentive to buy and keep premium. Instead of making them have to make a new alt everyday to earn some cash maybe just give us a 1k a day allowance on the first avi in our accounts. We already spend money on the game but not all of us have time to log in daily, make an alt and transfer the 1k. I know I can't since I'm tired from earning money to pay for my premium. I do also think that non premium players should be able to make bank transfers. They don't have starting money anymore so what is the harm? This would make things easier on code sellers and non premium buyers too since they wouldn't have to use the pole method. As for charging for for transfers...that's making this more of an economy and I don't see that as a good thing with the stage this game is in. This is MnF, not 3DXChat.
(02-11-2018, 03:22 AM)JohnSins Wrote: [ -> ] (02-10-2018, 11:28 PM)Avril 2018 Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure where to post this but here seems as good as anywhere and maybe this thread needs to be woken up.
I created a new AV, not a new AV under an existing account but an AV under a new email account. So should it not come on with $1000?. It did not. Is it because it came on under an existing IP address?
Non premium avatars (new or old email) don’t start off with $1000 anymore. The devs implemented this quite some time ago to prevent people from creating money alts and hoarding/transferring a bunch of money...
I think that I did not fully understand what Devs did.
I knew that deleting and creating AV would no longer give you $1000 but thought that brand new players still got it, not that I created it for this reason.
Probably system could not differentiate between the two.
To Sapphire 94
An interesting and thoughtful view on the economy and one I largely agree with. I have played since February 2016 so have seen both sides of the change which I assume to mean the end of alt farming.
I never really considered that mnf did not have an economy before but it largely didn't. Money was pretty worthless as it was easy to come by and was a toy to buy multiple outfits.
I have enough money but am much more careful with it now, not buying all Avs a new outfit although I could. I was just about to update outfits when this happened so I didn't. Not really the actual amount of money involved but a change in perception; money became something precious to be saved. It's not much diminished my enjoyment of game but I can see hour in rodeo for outfit would.
Along with the apartment designers and code sellers have come the scammers: those that sell false codes and sell other peoples' designs. Escorts are not necessarily a bad thing but I don't think they existed before. They allow low levels to go with high levels, to see prem positions, when before they would have been ignored. But it is buying XP and people (nearly all girls) are being exploited. OK to hand over 50% to someone if they provide the clients but they don't. As you said, alt farming was open to all, only some can design apartments.
Your friend is right; it does seem a money grab. Poses before were xp only not $. Prices have increased for outfits. Farm Girl (cowgirl) was $700, now Denim Jumpsuit from same catalogue is $1000, $1500 with boots.
Sorry, but I don't think that what you suggest makes that much difference to new players. Motel room or even swimsuit cost does not take that long to earn. No harm in letting non-prems use bank transfers but probably few would want to do so: it's about keeping prem worth having.
When reverse cowgirl was made available, boob job became non-prem: nothing similar happened with split. And only swimsuit has been made non-prem. Maybe it would be better if non-prems gained outfits and clothes access as level increased.
The basic problem is that it is just too hard to earn money in game. $2,500 an hour in any mini-game worth $2.50 in real money on bank rate. For most it is better to earn real $ , even at minimum wage, and so mnf get real $.
(02-11-2018, 09:21 PM)F_1 Wrote: [ -> ]The basic problem is that it is just too hard to earn money in game. $2,500 an hour in any mini-game worth $2.50 in real money on bank rate. For most it is better to earn real $ , even at minimum wage, and so mnf get real $.
This is exactly what they want. Outrageous prices on all new items when compared to the amount gained from minigames, therefore, if you want something you need to drop real cash, on top of premium.
(02-12-2018, 05:38 PM)proncain Wrote: [ -> ] (02-11-2018, 09:21 PM)F_1 Wrote: [ -> ]The basic problem is that it is just too hard to earn money in game. $2,500 an hour in any mini-game worth $2.50 in real money on bank rate. For most it is better to earn real $ , even at minimum wage, and so mnf get real $.
This is exactly what they want. Outrageous prices on all new items when compared to the amount gained from minigames, therefore, if you want something you need to drop real cash, on top of premium.
Does anyone disagree?
Well Idk I don't feel it's that hard to make money in the game should a person want to buy an outfit, 10k pose, or get a room (the apartment is the exception since it takes a long time to get 50k). Granted all this takes time, but the options are there not to mention that you don't have to buy any of the poses to experience them. Outfits and body modification are sorta what irk me a bit since I love to change my look in-game every now and then. However it's merely all eye candy and whatnot, meaning one does not need to own it or have it. Though should a person want it they have the options to earn enough for it in about an hour give or take.
(02-13-2018, 12:35 AM)Avax69 Wrote: [ -> ]Well Idk I don't feel it's that hard to make money in the game should a person want to buy an outfit, 10k pose, or get a room (the apartment is the exception since it takes a long time to get 50k). Granted all this takes time, but the options are there not to mention that you don't have to buy any of the poses to experience them. Outfits and body modification are sorta what irk me a bit since I love to change my look in-game every now and then. However it's merely all eye candy and whatnot, meaning one does not need to own it or have it. Though should a person want it they have the options to earn enough for it in about an hour give or take.
So how do you make money in game? Just came on $0 and made some in rodeo, equals about $2500/hour. Enough as all I seem to be able to buy is a swimsuit and a room.
Done poses that cost $4000 and $10,000 so I am told, much more than an hour. If true why should others pay for pose anyway?