(05-12-2017, 12:54 AM)JohnSins Wrote:

(05-11-2017, 09:46 AM)cbocchi Wrote: The situation before the last change:
-i earn 10K$ with the alt farming in less than an hour. I never checked the time precisely, but it was FAR less (TEN ALTS?!?! Devs got rid of farming only because people like you abused it, they weren't concerned with others who had like 1 or 2 alts, so that's on you)
-with that money, generated out of nothing, i can have fun. Buying things, tipping at the dancers, renting room, and so on. (The money was generated out of your time and energy, its called labor)
-the result is: a small amount of time in generating cash, and then fun. I don't know about you, but fun is the purpose, when i play a game.

The situation AFTER the last change:
-i still need ingame money (After making 10k a day, i doubt you really "need" more money. I met people on here that "needed" to make a mill too....)
-i still generate it out of nothing. Doesn't matter if it is a minigame or something else. It's just created (Its generated out of real cash, or labor)
-now the process is MUCH slower. For example, in the glory hole minigame , i never earned more than 250$. To earn that, i spend somethinglike 7 minutes (Rodeo yields the best money output per x amount of time, try that)
-i know that i'm not good at all, but you know what? i don't like the minigames. I am here for fun, not for the minigames. (no one likes the mini games, but that doesnt mean its ok to cheat [in essence])

Red=Me
Are you trying justify your exploitation of the game because its not fun earning money?.... What do you do in other games if it requires time and energy to get money? What about in real life?  The in-game money officially has some worth to it, so the devs aren't going to bring back the alt farming, or else why would anyone pay real money for it. In 10 days, you made $100k, and that's JUST 10 days. Imagine the months you've been doing this for.... so idk how your "bankrupt." The harshness of my critique wasn't to offend or make fun of you, but for  you to see the error in everything you have said....

(05-14-2017, 03:43 PM)cbocchi Wrote: Ok, i have to be more precise. Maybe what i wrote was not clear.

1) I play the game for fun. It means that i play the game for the interaction with other people. Interaction of different kinds, but nothing more than that
2) I don't play the game with other purposes. I mean that everything that i don't consider fun, is not my purpose.
3) I don't do it every day. Well, i didn't do it every day, i didn't even do it every week. I did it every now and then. 10K are way too much to me to spend every day. I just did it this way because i was comfortable with it. With comfortable i mean: reasnoably little time to do it, with a reasonably great outcome.
4) It is not called labor. Labor is different. With labor you produce goods or services, and sell it for money. Here i am not producing goods, i am not producing services. I am producing nothing. If i print a newspaper and sell it, i produce a good. If i carry you the newspaper somebody else is printing, or if i give you a massage, or so, it is a service.
5) AGAIN: i am here for fun! This is NOT real life. In real life i love my job, and my real life is not of your concern. 
6) AGAIN: i am here for fun! As i wrote in my previous post, i am NOT here for minigames, i am NOT here for labor! I don't care about the conomy, if a game is BORING to me, it cannot be FUN.

so again, WTF? and not only just about the game, but WTF is so difficult to understand? i don't want to cheat, i don't even want to be honest. Being honest is not what we are talking about here. In real life, i could understand the point about being honest, because if i find a way to creat a resource out of nothing, especially if it is prohibited to do so, i am creating a situation which is bad for a number of reasons, and i AGREE with those reasons. But here, in this game, outside of real life, I want to spend the fun part of my day just having fun! If i am supposed to do something which is not fun, well that's not fun. Is it clear now? What to me is fun, to me is fun. What to me is not, to me is not. 

My point is: if i need to spend all that time in "Labor", this is not fun anymore. It is "labor". I am not complaining, because, as i said, the game is not mine. The owner of te game is free to do whatever he/she/they want to do with it.

But if the purpose of a gamer is fun, to me this is the wrong step.
If the purpose of a gamer is spending time for doing a repetitive boring action just to be able to do something else, well, this is a great step.

PS: there is some sarcasm in my post, just in case someone else finds it difficult to see it.

(05-15-2017, 12:21 PM)Inala Wrote: Also nobody is busy socializing or having sex 100% of the time. There are times when none of your friends are online and the people around is just boring so what to do? Minigames!!! In my opinion playig them in those breaks is the right way to use them. I go to one minigame and play one round, then check pms and my friend list and if notihg interesting happened i just repeat. Easy, productive and even entertaining to some point.

(05-15-2017, 02:18 PM)ThunderD Wrote: Also for males it's more difficult to earn money...and they usually have to spend more!

(05-16-2017, 06:56 AM)Inala Wrote:

(05-15-2017, 02:18 PM)ThunderD Wrote: Also for males it's more difficult to earn money...and they usually have to spend more!

Why have men need to spend move money? You are not the first one that said to me something like that and i still haven't got a good answer for it.

Is it because men buy more clothes than women? It can't be that, you'd be surprised about how many i have xD

Is it because you have to pay for having sex? Then you are doing something wrong or making bad choices.

Is it for the rooms? Use the motel!!! Or even the showers xD

Tips to the dancers? Well, i could understand that... to some point. But that is not something that you need to do, at least not often.

Any other reasons? I'd really like to hear them

(05-14-2017, 05:09 PM)Joanna_Smith Wrote: Allright then, if you insist on seeing this communicty as a game. Look at it like any other mmo. For instance World of Warcraft. A part of the game is doing quests, even easy ones, to gain loot. the loot helps you do other parts of the game. Raids, pvp, you name it. But to be good at the ''fun'' parts of the game, you have to invest time in grinding and grinding to get the gear needed.

You need money to do what you think is fun. Thats ok. We all need cash for something. But just like in WoW, you cant just do raids without putting the time in and collect needed gear. In MnF you need to collect some money. 
Alt Farming to get money is like hacking in WoW and giving yourself exp and gear. Its a way around the intended way of the game. And yes, we all want to play the fun parts of the games, but using means not intended by the makers to skip the path and head to the reward is, in fact, cheating.

Lots of people have found ways to earn money besides the minigames. Like stripping, auctions and challeging people for rodeo. some girls and guys sell pictures in return for money. But honestly, just cheating it in is very lazy.
And in my experience, delaying the fun, as you call it, will make it better. Just like sometimes in sex you shouldnt cum right away and let it build a while yaknow?

Alt farming was a loophole in the rules, the devs patched the hole up. Thats all what happens. Now the community get to search for new ways to earn money.